chat-transcript_20090205b.txt VNC2: Welcome to the Ontolog Invited Speaker Presentation - Mr. Aldo Gangemi & Dr. Valentina Presutti - Thu 2009.02.05 * Invited Speakers: Mr. AldoGangemi & Dr. ValentinaPresutti (ISTC-CNR, Rome, Italy) * Title: "Pattern-based Ontology Design" anonymous morphed into aldo PeterYim: Hi Aldo aldo: Hi Peter, I'm trying the system aldo: the total call time is 90 minutes, right? aldo: should we present in 60 minutes? anonymous morphed into Valentina Valentina: Hi PeterYim: Hi Valentina PeterYim: Aldo and Val, ... the total call is ~90 minutes ... we can be slightly flexible. We have the conference bridge for 120 minutes, but then, you probably don't get to really start you talk until about 15 minutes into the session. ... I know you have 77 slides to go through, so, take your time, and make sure we have some time at the end for Q&A and discussion aldo: ok, I will probably skip some slides if time becomes tight PeterYim: our call ... (I won't hurry you!) PeterYim: I mean "your call"! anonymous morphed into BrianLowe anonymous morphed into Jon Corson-Rikert anonymous1 morphed into RexBrooks anonymous2 morphed into TaniaTudorache anonymous morphed into Shamod Tom Russ morphed into ThomasRuss aldo morphed into AldoGangemi anonymous morphed into BettinaSchimanski Valentina morphed into ValentinaPresutti ValentinaPresutti: codo light ontology: http://ontologydesignpatterns.org/cpont/codo/codolight.owl BettinaSchimanski: Unfortunately I will have to leave early. Thank you for speaking and I will be sure to come back to hopefully catch the recording and parts I missed. ValentinaPresutti: Thanks Bettina, thanks for attending PeterYim: we will be posting a recording of the session later (as we have always done) Gary Berg-Cross: It would seem that ODPs are assembled out of some standard parts. Is there a commitment to a foundational ontology such as DOLCE? ValentinaPresutti: No there's not such a commitment. By the way DOLCE is a good and used ontology, hence we have extracted some patterns from it anonymous2 morphed into John Bottoms ValentinaPresutti: In principle every "good" ontology is a good candidate as a source of content patterns anonymous1 morphed into FrankOlken FrankOlken: Just testing, as it appears that there are no new messages recently ..... PeterYim: still working, Frank! AmandaVizedom: just got cut off of call! AmandaVizedom: sigh. AmandaVizedom: I'll type my question. PeterYim: please DougHolmes: There are a number of different analytic positions in ontology engineering [e.g. 3d vs 4d]; do you expect to, or do you think its necessary to "situate" particular patterns within a position? That is, note something like "This pattern is appropriate in a 4d ontology..." Gary Berg-Cross: Has any work been done in geospatial patterns? AmandaVizedom: Idea: given collaboration tools that hide the ontological guts (e.g., TopBraid Ensemble) there is still great difficulty in enabling SMEs, or even junior ontologists, to model real, practice-grounded concepts and relationships. I'm seeing the ODP approach as having great potential to help here. In my work context, we have a team of mixed-seniority ontologists (needing means of methodological synchronization) *and* teams of SMEs whose contextualized ontologies need to be built, without their needing to become ontologists. I see a shared ODP library as of great potential use at both levels. anonymous1 morphed into RaviSharma AmandaVizedom: I'm particularly interested because I've tried to approach this in terms of "ontology templates" or similar frames of my own making, with at best mixed success -- I think ODP may provide some of the missing inuitions. It's not easy to implement use via existing tools, but with momentum, there's no technical barrier to it, I think. Do you agree? AmandaVizedom: Yes, "inuitions">intuitions. Thanks! AldoGangemi: Yes, there are no technical barriers I think, it's just about having a good grasp at how practical ontologies can be built successfully ... unfortunately, what happened in the past is that the implementors of ontology design tools were stuck into the logical way of organizing even the interface or the interaction components AmandaVizedom: Thanks to both of you - great presentation and very exciting work! AmandaVizedom: My request for a portal account is in. TaniaTudorache: Thank you very much for the interesting talk! PeterYim: Thank you, Aldo & Valentina, for a great presentation ... and thanks to everyone for your participation. Bye! John Bottoms: Thank you for sharing your experience and expertise with us.