ppy/EarthCube-Ontolog_chat-transcript_edited_20120621b.txt = EarthCube-Ontolog Mini-series Planning Session - Thu 2012.06.21 = --------- Chat transcript from room: ontolog_20120621 2012-06-21 GMT-08:00 --------- [09:30] PeterYim: PeterYim: Welcome to the = Planning a mini-series at the Ontolog Forum on EarthCube related topics = Date/Time: Thu 2012.06.21 - starting 12:30pm EDT / 9:30am PDT Duration: a 1.0 to 1.5-hour telecon Dial-in: Phone (US): +1 (206) 402-0100 ... PIN: 141184# Skype: joinconference ... PIN: 141184# (for Skype users: the Skype Dial pad can be found under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad") session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_06_21 Attendees: LeoObrst (co-chair), KrishnaSinha (co-chair), GaryBergCross, PascalHitzler, KrzysztofJanowiczwicz, NaicongLi, DaliaVaranka & PeterYim (scribe). Regrets: NancyWiegand, MikeDean, MarkSchildhauer == Proceedings: == anonymous morphed into PascalHitzler anonymous morphed into NaicongLi anonymous morphed into KrzysztofJanowicz GaryBergCross: For the record, I proposed a mini series in email to Peter. PascalHitzler: Let me ask some simple questions - sorry for not being on the page. What does ontolog usually do? What are the people usually reached through ontolog? PeterYim: @PascalHitzler & All - ONTOLOG in one slide - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/presentation/ONTOLOG-intro--PeterYim-LeoObrst-KurtConrad_Oct-2008.pdf PascalHitzler: thanks a lot, I'm getting a picture now. I have no idea how I missed this so far Apologies for holding up the discussion ... GaryBergCross: I think that we should have a mini series (4-5 sessions) like you did for semantic wiki from Nov 2011 to March 2012. KrishnaSinha: Semantics should make it very easy to share data so that downstream activities are easy to implement GaryBergCross: I would go beyond KrishnaSinha 2 areas or say that they can be addressed within a series that includes a discussion of issues such as methodologies that would provide benefits. PascalHitzler and KrzysztofJanowicz's recent posting addresses some of the issues. GaryBergCross: One thing that raised this idea was what we captured in the "manifesto" - enough EarthCube people misunderstood what semantics is, that we need time to explicate it and this takes more time than the Charrette allowed. PascalHitzler: So for a joint activity, the key question to ask first is, perhaps, what is the target group? PascalHitzler: Perhaps EarthCubers who are looking for further insights into semantic technologies? PascalHitzler: So we would be looking at a set of tutorials? GaryBergCross: An example of what we didn't have adequate time to discuss at the Charrette were such things as what it takes to develop an adequate vocabulary for a domain science. We could have a 2 hour virtual session on this, perhaps a panel of 2-3 people giving examples of their work followed by discussion. GaryBergCross: PascalHitzler see something like http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2009_03_05 as an example. NaicongLi: One of the EarthCube initiatives is to facilitate sharing of resources such as data, models and tools. Ontologies can help address the need of resource organization, discovery and access, interoperability among the resources. This could be one of the themes in the mini series. GaryBergCross: We might combine Naicong's suggestion with an interoperability topic. GaryBergCross: Two goals I would suggest for the series is to clarify the issues and help formulate early steps to help manage overall risk. GaryBergCross: Another goal that I was thinking of was to EXPAND the community of semantic researchers/ontologists that participate in the EC discussion. KrishnaSinha: how much of the IBM Watson's capability was semantically enabled? ... maybe we can leverage on some label like "Geo Watson" PascalHitzler: concerning "geo-watson" - we discussed this in http://knoesis.wright.edu/faculty/PascalHitzler/pub/DEKE.pdf PascalHitzler: The Digital Earth as Knowledge Engine. KrzysztofJanowiczwicz, PascalHitzler Semantic Web journal. To appear. KrzysztofJanowicz: I agree that Geo-Watson is an analogy KrzysztofJanowicz: There are good reasons not to use it GaryBergCross: Geo-watson is OK for some big vision, but I prefer balancing it with a firm base that would afford progress towards the vision. PascalHitzler: the danger of using the phrase "geo-watson" is that it may hype expectations KrzysztofJanowicz: we should use the term knowledge engine, not "watson" GaryBergCross: For starting we need to consider use cases and maybe a Geo-Watson gets folded into that session. KrzysztofJanowicz: (we also talk here about a geo-watson: http://geog.ucsb.edu/~KrzysztofJanowicz/RESTfulSOS.pdf in 2011) GaryBergCross: I would contrast the general use of speech recognition, which we can leverage, with Earth Science Domain vocabulary development such as assisted by text mining...Need the vocabularies first...concentrate there. KrishnaSinha: identify semantic capabilities for geoscientists KrzysztofJanowicz: WE have exactly this KrzysztofJanowicz: http://earthcube.ning.com/profiles/blogs/semantics-and-ontologies-in-earthcube PascalHitzler: The "Elevator Talk" post: http://earthcube.ning.com/group/semantics-and-ontologies/forum/topics/key-ingredients-for-your-next-semantics-elevator-talk?xg_source=activity - see also http://knoesis.wright.edu/faculty/PascalHitzler/pub/elevator12.pdf for direct link PascalHitzler: Agree with Krzysztof: A first session about the value proposition makes a lot of sense. PascalHitzler: Perhaps follow-up could then discuss how to "get there" - i.e. towards a *technical* roadmap. KrzysztofJanowicz: yes KrzysztofJanowicz: [consensus] First session August 9th, 2012 on the value proposition of semantics for the EarthCube community (highlighting the immediate added value without technical detail or technical language) PeterYim: [decision] the 8 of us at this call, plus NancyWiegand, MikeDean and MarkSchildhauer, will form the organizing committee for this upcoming mini-series PeterYim: [action-Peter] Peter to start a mailing list, and a mini-series "home page" on the wiki for this effort PeterYim: [action-All] we will continue the planning work on the mailing list and wiki PeterYim: -- session ended: 10:38am PDT -- ---------