ppy/OntoIOp-confcall-n43_chat-transcript_20130925b.txt ------ Chat transcript from room: ontoiop_20130925 2013-09-25 GMT-08:00 [PDT] ------ [08:01] TillMossakowski: . = OntoIOp team-confcall (n.43) - Wed 2013.09.25 = * Date: Wed 25-Sep-2013 * start-time: 8:00am PDT / 11:00 am EDT / 5:00pm CEST / 4:00pm BST / 12:00am[+1] KST / 1500 UTC ** ref. world clock - http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.htmlmonth=9&day=25&year=2013&hour=8&min=30&sec=0&p1=224 * Duration: 1.0~1.5 Hrs. Dial-in: * Phone (US): +1 (206) 402-0100 ... when prompted enter Conference ID: 141184# * Skype: joinconference (i.e. make a skype call to the contact with skypeID="joinconference") ... when prompted enter Conference ID: 141184# * in-session chat-workspace: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontoiop_20130925 * shared-file workspace for this session: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntoIOp/Team_confcall/2013-09-25_team-confcall_n.43/ AGENDA Topics: * Feedback from OMG to the OntoIOp RFP * Womo talk about DOL, with DOL examples. (Note that DOL will be submitted to the OntoIOp RFP.). ** See slides and paper at *** http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~till/papers/2013-09-15-Womo-slides.pdf *** http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~till/papers/womo2013.pdf Remarks: * the session may be recorded for archival purposes. Unless otherwise documented, participants agrees to this by virtue of their participation at the session. * In case we have to mute everyone (due to extraneous noise or echo) - Mute control: *7 to un-mute ... *6 to mute * for Windows Skype users: Can't find Skype Dial pad? ... it may be under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad" * for Linux Skype users: please note that the dial-pad is only available on v4.1 (or later or the earlier Skype versions 2.x,) if the dialpad button is not shown in the call window you need to press the "d" hotkey to enable it. (--CLange) Attendees: TillMossakowski (chair), ChristophLange, MichaelGruninger, OliverKutz, TerryLongstreth == Proceedings: == [08:06] MichaelGruninger: just finished the Analysis and Design Task Force meeting where I presented the slides [08:07] TillMossakowski: sorry, I cannot hear Michael at all. Terry, can you? [08:08] MichaelGruninger: The suggestion is to put this forth afor a ballot at the December meeting [08:08] TillMossakowski: good [08:08] MichaelGruninger: We will need to have a new version completed four weeks prior to that [08:08] TerryLongstreth: Just vocal noises [08:08] TillMossakowski: same for me [08:08] TillMossakowski: Michael, your voice connection seems not to work [08:08] TillMossakowski: could we fallback to the chat? [08:09] MichaelGruninger: I will try to use the chat (although it is not reliable either) [08:10] TillMossakowski: OK [08:10] ChristophLange: Sorry I'm late, but probably just in time ;-) [08:11] TillMossakowski: we mainly have to use the chat, because we cannot properly hear Michael [08:11] MichaelGruninger: There were two main comments from the meeting -- 1. We will need to discuss Prior Art, that is, we need to show people that this is not a research project. Thus, we need to provide definitions for all of our concepts with citations to the papers where the formal definitions are introduced [08:11] TillMossakowski: OK. But these papers can be research papers? [08:11] MichaelGruninger: Comment 2: We need to be more precise about conformance criteria. These need to be testable, so that we can demonstrate that what we eventually propose does in fact meet the requirements [08:12] MichaelGruninger: @Till: Yes, we can cite research papers (in fact it is preferable) as prior art [08:12] TillMossakowski: good [08:13] MichaelGruninger: Issue 3: We should have a discussion which connects the use cases with the relevant requirements [08:13] TerryLongstreth: I'm sure that most of the related work at Bremen would be applicable [08:13] TillMossakowski: which criteria in the OntoIOp RFP are considered to be not testable? [08:13] TillMossakowski: if I compare our RFP to the API4KB RFP I cannot see the difference in testability... [08:14] MichaelGruninger: @Till: It is a question of the level of detail. Everyone believes that the requirements are n principle testable, but the document needs to be sufficiently detailed to present them [08:15] TillMossakowski: so this point applies to all our criteria, all of them should become more detailed? [08:15] ChristophLange: Or, @Michael, were there concrete concerns about specific criteria? [08:19] MichaelGruninger: In OMG documents, Section 6.1 sets the Scope and Use Cases. With Section 6.5, we set the requirements explicitly [08:19] TillMossakowski: yes, but aren't we doing this already? [08:20] TerryLongstreth: the last sentence in 6.1 could be turned into a good capstone requirement statement for 6.5 [08:20] TillMossakowski: OK [08:21] TillMossakowski: sorry, Michael, I can only small pieces of your audio [08:22] TillMossakowski: so Michael, do you have the feeling that you have enough information to guide us through the RFP revision process? [08:23] MichaelGruninger: This connection is impossible -- even the chat gets disconnected [08:23] MichaelGruninger: @Till -- yes, we have enough information to proceed. Overall, there is a positive response -- people just want to be careful with the details [08:24] TerryLongstreth: Suggest: "Responsive proposals for this RFP shall provide a meta language for interoperability among logical theories, with a well-defined semantics and model theory." [08:25] TillMossakowski: Great that you got this positive feedback, Michal. To sum up: we cannot do any immediate action for the OMG meeting now, but we use the next two months to revise the RFP, and then it will hopefully be issued in December. [08:26] MichaelGruninger: @Till -- Exactly. [08:27] MichaelGruninger: Since this connection is so poor, I am going back to the OMG session. I will send a detailed summary in the next few days [08:28] TillMossakowski: OK. Many thanks Michael! [09:08] List of attendees: ChristophLange, ChristophLange1, ChristophLange2, ChristophLange3, MichaelGruninger, MichaelGruninger1, MichaelGruninger10, MichaelGruninger11, MichaelGruninger2, MichaelGruninger3, MichaelGruninger4, MichaelGruninger5, MichaelGruninger6, MichaelGruninger7, MichaelGruninger8, MichaelGruninger9, OliverKutz, TerryLongstreth, TillMossakowski ------