ppy/OntoIOp-confcall-n45_chat-transcript_20131023b.txt ------ Chat transcript from room: ontoiop_20131023 2013-10-23 GMT-08:00 [PDT] ------ [8:01] anonymous morphed into ConradBock [8:01] PeterYim: . = OntoIOp team-confcall (n.45) - Wed 2013.10.23 = * Date: Wed 23-Oct-2013 * start-time: 8:00am PDT / 11:00 am EDT / 5:00pm CEST / 4:00pm BST / 12:00am[+1] KST / 1500 UTC ** ref. world clock - http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.htmlmonth=10&day=23&year=2013&hour=8&min=30&sec=0&p1=224 * Duration: 1.0~1.5 Hrs. * in-session chat-workspace: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/ontoiop_20131023 * shared-file workspace for this session: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntoIOp/Team_confcall/2013-10-23_team-confcall_n.45/ Remarks: * the session may be recorded for archival purposes. 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(--CLange) Attendees: TillMossakowski (chair), ConradBock, MichaelGruninger, OliverKutz, PeterYim, TerryLongstreth Regrest: ChristophLange == Proceedings: == [8:04] PeterYim: [responding MichaelGruninnger's request] @ConradBockBock: Ref earlier communications, the credentials needed are: // The (role-based) authentication pair is: username = ontoiop-member password = *** (note: this password ...[snip]...) // [8:17] ConradBock: Thx, Peter. What is the login for the SVN? They seem to be different. [8:18] PeterYim: @ConradBock - Till & Christoph runs the SVN, they can provide the details [8:20] TillMossakowski: ConradBock, please send me a username and password encrypted with htpasswd (you can google what this is if needed) [9:03] PeterYim: @Conrad @Michael @Till ... I will add ConradBockBock to the team roster and subscribe him to both [ontoiop-wg] and [ontoiop-forum] (let me know otherwise) [8:05] PeterYim: == TillMossakowski starts the meeting ... [8:08] ChristophLange: Hi, I'm afraid I can only afford to say hello and "sorry can't make it" today. Busy moving out of Birmingham. @Till: I should be able to do some proof-reading tomorrow and Friday; if that's still helpful could you maybe let me know (by email)? Thanks, and have a productive meeting today! [8:06] PeterYim: Till: today's agenda is (i) the revision of the OMG RFP; (ii) discuss time of future meetings [8:04] TillMossakowski: Please find the current version of the RFP at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HkMaPJNWqpvU0QyqQ4fIWT3ZxoCr6I469GA0aoTHHXo/edit [8:04] PeterYim: == discussion: (ii) time for future meetings [8:04] TillMossakowski: suggesting moving the meeting an hour early. By the next meeting, we will all be on Standard Time; unfortunately, that would still mean midnight for KiyongLee in Korea, though. [8:06] TerryLongstreth: An hour earlier would be better for me [8:09] PeterYim: Till: [decision] we will move the meeting one hour earlier, starting next meeting [8:11] PeterYim: therefore the next call will be on 6-Nov-2013, by which time, both Europe and the US will be back on standard time (instead of daylight saving time) - OntioIOp confcall n.46 - Wed 2013.11.06 - start-time: 4pm CET - http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=11&day=6&year=2013&hour=7&min=0&sec=0&p1=224 [8:12] PeterYim: == discussion: (i) the revision of the OMG RFP [8:04] TillMossakowski: Please find the current version of the RFP at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HkMaPJNWqpvU0QyqQ4fIWT3ZxoCr6I469GA0aoTHHXo/edit [8:10] TillMossakowski: Six main feedback points by OMG: 1. This is too ambitious -- this project is trying to solve all interoperability problems. - the scope of the metalanguage is too broad and ambitious (Note: I think we need to emphasize heterogeneous interoperability among ontologies; some people thought we were specifying mappings between all possible languages and ontologies) 2. This sounds like a research project, not a standards project. Response: Provide formal definitions with citations to the literature where these definitions have been stated. e.g. what is the definition of a logically heterogeneous ontology? 3. The role of translations and mappings - will translations between specific languages (e.g. OWL-2 and CL) be part of the standard? - if so, will only one translation be allowed? - what is the relationship between different translations between the same two languages? - will mappings between specific ontologies be part of the standard? 4. What is the need for the metalanguage? This justification needs to be aligned with the mandatory requirements. Show how the requirements and related to the use cases. 5. How detailed are the metalevel relationships? For example, consider the Date-Time Vocabulary (dtv). Do we simply say that dtv_owl is an approximation of dtv_cl or does the standard specify in what way it is an approximation, saying what is lost and what is preserved. 6. Are the conformance criteria for logical languages specified with enough detail to be testable? [8:23] TillMossakowski: ConradBock: as an answer to point 1, we should specify what the market need for OntoIOp is [8:24] MichaelGruninger: Behind the second comment is perhaps the point: "This sounds like a research project since we don't see any market-driven need for this approach" [8:25] MichaelGruninger: ConradBock: underlying question -- why is this being standardized? [8:27] MichaelGruninger: ConradBock: the Problem Statement is where we need to motivate why we are doing this [8:28] TerryLongstreth: Should we bite the bullet and mention, explicitly, that we're trying to find ways to make the millions of OWL concepts useful? [Terry will try to come up with some wording] [8:53] PeterYim: Till: review/discussion done ... suggest we use the next 2 weeks to get everything ready. Terry, Michael & Till still has some additional input (as discussed.) At the next (Nov-6) meeting, we will do a final review, and submit on Nov-11, which would be 4 weeks before the Santa Clara OMG meeting. [8:54] TerryLongstreth: Have to split for another meeting... [8:54] PeterYim: -- session ended: 5:54pm CEST -- ------