ppy/OntologySummit2013_s15_chat-transcript_unedited_20130425a.txt ------ Chat transcript from room: summit_20130425 2013-04-25 GMT-08:00 [PDT] ------ [9:22] PeterYim: Welcome to the = OntologySummit2013: Virtual Session-15 - Thu 2013-04-25 = Summit Theme: Ontology Evaluation Across the Ontology Lifecycle Session Topic: Pre-symposium preparation and review * Session Co-chairs - Dr. RamSriram (NIST) and Mr. MikeDean (Raytheon BBN) Agenda: 1. Opening: OntologySummit2013_Symposium (co-chairs) - MikeDean & RamSriram [ref. symposium page] 2. Review of symposium agenda and status of preparation - symposium co-chairs and all speakers 3. Q & A and open discussion relating to the symposium - All 4. Q & A and open discussion relating to the any other pertinent issues - All 5. Status review / Follow-up actions - (co-chairs) 6. 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[9:31] SteveRay: Indeed, Skype booted me off. Now on Google voice. [9:34] anonymous morphed into RodM - DOS [9:35] PeterYim: The Symposium homepage is at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2013_Symposium [9:40] PeterYim: Ram: need to finalize on keynote speakers 2 & 3 [9:41] PeterYim: Mike: will need to finalize on place to do the May-2 group dinner [9:42] ToddSchneider: I prefer my fish cooked. [9:45] PeterYim: MichaelGruninger: Kent State University has confirmed their sponsorship of box lunches for May-2 [9:45] MichaelGruninger: Kent State is sponsoring deluxe box lunches on May 2 [9:46] PeterYim: Ram: I will sit down with Fabian to go over the logistic details later today ... Steve will be in town on May-1 and can come over and check the place out [9:50] PeterYim: look at registrants: (on-site): http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2013/WorkshopRegistration#nid3P45 ... (remote): http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2013/WorkshopRegistration#nid3P34 [9:52] AmandaVizedom1: I had a connection problem and dropped off at around 12:40; just back. [9:54] AmandaVizedom1: Please let me know if I missed any items of particular relevance to me, communique, or hackathon outputs. Sorry, and thanks. [9:56] PeterYim: Ram: in the openings - the symposium chairs will be handling the logistics and formalities, and the general chairs will focus on the content side of things, and provoke thoughts from the participants [9:57] AmandaVizedom1: IIRC, last week we also agreed that it might be especially useful if Track discussion/ questions picked up on issues from the track that fell outside the narrower scope of the Communique. [9:59] MatthewWest: Sorry I'm late. [9:59] AmandaVizedom1: I don't think we should be looking to raise *all* of Pat's issues - some of them are counters to claims we are not making, and have made clearer that we are not making, yes? [10:00] SteveRay: Agreed. [10:01] TerryLongstreth: We're talking about a dialogue with Pat Hayes, but I don't think I'm receiving those notes. Can someone point me to a thread in the Msg archives? [10:02] PeterYim: @Terry and all - see thread starting http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-summit-advisors/2013-04/msg00001.html [10:03] TerryLongstreth: Thanks Peter. I'm not on the advisors list [10:05] ToddSchneider: Track B can use one the questions to raise the question of how requirements fits into a development methodology. [10:08] PeterYim: Fabian will tell PatHayes that we will bring up some of his issues in the Track-C discussion ... (and see if he might join us) [10:11] PeterYim: @All symposium speakers - again, slides are due end-of-day Monday Apr-29 [10:17] MikeBennett: Lifecycle: there may be an assumption in some quarters that there is "one" lifecycle for ontologies, whereas what we have explored and unconvered is the range of lifecycle considerations for ontologies, e.g. where a business conceptual ontology fits into a lifecycle for conventional systms development, and what is the lifecycle for developing an ontology which is to form part of some semantic tech application - see e.g Track C [10:19] AmandaVizedom1: I would appreciated it if Org Comm members take a peek at the rewritten section "An Ontology Life Cycle Model" to see whether we have addressed these concerns already, and to tell us if something is still problematic. [10:19] AmandaVizedom1: The (still under revision) draft is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jeU5DL9JuNiyxv7BDOMr0VgFIWmSKVHXcnLlcHF-Zg0/edit?usp=sharing [10:25] MikeBennett: Since people may already be using several methodologies / methods which are already in place, the lifecycle considerations for ontology development must be seen to be able to fit into whatever methods are in play. [10:26] MikeBennett: I think the re-write reads well, though it still reads as though one specific deployment scenario is in play (ontology included in some information system). I think that's broad enough to cover everything an ontology might be used for (what about ontologies as industry stansards). Some narrative setting out the range of deployment scenarios which this is intended to cover, would help. [10:30] TerryLongstreth15: @Mike - I think you meant "...that's NOT broad enough..." . I agree with your conclusion. [10:32] MikeBennett: @Terry I was trying to convince myself it was broad enough, but it depends on what's meant be "information systems", which would need to be developed in the narrative. And my counter-example of ontologies as standards works against this. [10:35] MatthewWest: But the standards are then incorporated in Information Systems. It is just that the standard ontology is just part of the information system lifecycle. [10:35] ToddSchneider: Have to go. Cheers. [10:37] PeterYim: Survey responses can be seen at: http://ontolog-02.cim3.net/wiki/Category:OntologySummit2013_Survey [10:37] TerryLongstreth15: @Mike - in our 'B' panel sessions, we've discussed the evaluation from a systems perspective, but I'm not convinced that the idea of an ontology built to requirements that say "cross unknown system boundaries" has been studied. [10:37] AmandaVizedom1: I plan to use the BOF session to touch base with folks about continuing work on the ontology of ontology evaluation (from HC-05). I will send a message to this effect to the summit discussion list. [10:38] MikeBennett: @Matthew fair enough. So the question is, does tne revised narrative cover the full range of ways in which ontologies may fit into the different lifecycles of different systems in which they may deliver some benefit? [10:39] MatthewWest: Probably not, but I do not think we are claiming completeness, just an initial go. [10:39] PeterYim: MikeDean: people who will be organizing ad hoc gatherings for the FOF slot (May 3 3:30~5:00pm) should post to the agenda and post something to the [ontology-summit] list so everyone would know, and come partcipate [10:42] PeterYim: there will not be an organizing committee meeting tomorrow Fri Apr-26 [10:43] PeterYim: people who arrives into Gaithersburg are welcome to have dinner at DogFish starting 7:00pm [10:44] PeterYim: good meeting! [10:44] PeterYim: -- session ended: 10:44am PDT -- [10:44] List of attendees: AmandaVizedom, AmandaVizedom1, AmandaVizedom2, AstridDuqueRamos, FabianNeuhaus, KenBaclawski, LeoObrst, MatthewWest, MichaelGruninger, MikeBennett, MikeDean, PeterYim, Ram D. Sriram, RodM - DOS, SteveRay, TerryLongstreth, TerryLongstreth1, TerryLongstreth10, TerryLongstreth11, TerryLongstreth12, TerryLongstreth13, TerryLongstreth14, TerryLongstreth15, TerryLongstreth2, TerryLongstreth3, TerryLongstreth4, TerryLongstreth5, TerryLongstreth6, TerryLongstreth7, TerryLongstreth8, TerryLongstreth9, ToddSchneider, anonymous, dougFoxvog ------