ppy/chat-transcript_edited_20130205b.txt ------ Chat transcript from room: oor_20130205 2013-02-05 GMT-08:00 [PST] ------ [07:30] PeterYim: Welcome to the = OpenOntologyRepository: OOR Team Conference Call - Tue 2013_02_05 = session page: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2013_02_05 Attendees: PeterYim (chair), KenBaclawski, MariaPoveda, MikeDean, MikeDenny, OliverKutz, TillMossakowski, YuriyMilov . == Proceedings: == . [07:25] anonymous morphed into MariaPoveda [07:27] anonymous morphed into MikeDenny [07:28] anonymous morphed into YuriyMilov [07:35] MariaPoveda: xd plugin [07:35] MariaPoveda: (ref. contacts for earlier NeOn project work) valentina presutti [07:35] MariaPoveda: aldo gangemi [07:36] MariaPoveda: Here you can find the plugins developed during NeOn [07:36] MariaPoveda: http://neon-toolkit.org/wiki/Neon_Plugins [07:37] PeterYim: -- session started: 7:37am PST -- [07:55] TillMossakowski: I am also here [07:55] PeterYim: Hi Till [07:55] TillMossakowski: Hi Peter [07:56] TillMossakowski: I just stayed in the room of my previous meeting ... still a bit noisy here... [08:00] TillMossakowski: Mike Dean is happy to focus on the ontology clinic idea [08:01] PeterYim: three ideas being tossed around (at the OntologySummit2013 organizing committee): "hackathon (coding)", "ontology clinic", "application clinic" [08:15] MariaPoveda: @Peter, could you write a very brief description of "ontology clinic" and "application clinic"? I think I'm misunderstanding something. Maybe after the meeting in the proceedings. [08:20] PeterYim: @Maria and All: with the "ontology clinic" - we send (a) ontologies to be evaluated through the "tool", study the results and see how the ontology may be improved, and (b) "gold standard" ontology through the "tool", study the results and see how the "tool" (the ontology too, possibly) may be improved [08:40] PeterYim: @Maria and All: with the "application clinic" - we (a small team) work with a (one or more) user community that has a real need to evaluate ontology, the clinic exercise helps the user evaluate what ontologies are most suitable for them, etc. [08:22] MariaPoveda: thank [08:01] PeterYim: @ALL: please capture your ideas for the "hackathon/clinic" activity which you (or the team of people you can bring to the table) would want to focus on [08:06] MariaPoveda: [another relevant tool - Eyeball: a library and command-line tool for checking RDF and OWL models for various common problems] see: http://jena.sourceforge.net/Eyeball/full.html [08:07] KenBaclawski: It would be useful to integrate any evaluation tools into the OOR architecture. This would involve agreeing on a common web services API. [08:08] MariaPoveda: sorry, I am not familiar with the OOR architecture [08:11] TillMossakowski: @Maria: for the OOR architecture, see http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OpenOntologyRepository_Architecture/Candidate03 [08:11] MariaPoveda: thanks [08:10] TillMossakowski: sorry, can you post a link to "oops" ? [08:10] MariaPoveda: http://www.oeg-upm.net/oops/ [08:10] PeterYim: @Till: re: OOPS! - see also: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_01_31#nid3L73 [08:11] KenBaclawski: The result of evaluations should be in a common ontology so that the output of evaluations would be interoperable. While I developed an ontology for this 10 years ago, it would need to be updated and extended to handle other kinds of evaluations. This is an ontology development effort, not a code development effort. [08:12] MikeDean: Hackathon idea: access OOPS web services from OOR [08:14] MariaPoveda: @Mike I'll let you know, maybe tomorrow, when you can use the web services [8:24] PeterYim: (answering MikeDenny's question about tools to support our survey) we have, at our disposal, (a) Perseus Survey Solution, (b) Survey Monkey, (c) Lime Survey, (d) using SemanticForms etc. on Purple Semantic MediaWiki (psmw), plus soliciting input via the mailing list(s), wiki, during panel sessions (collect input into the chat-room), etc. ... I would prefer (d) if we can get the resources and people with the skill-set to support us on that. [08:15] TillMossakowski: Peter: Ontolog is being moved to purple semantic MediaWiki (psmw) [08:17] PeterYim: @Till & All - ref. Ontolog moving its wiki platform to OntologPSMW - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_12_19 [08:25] TillMossakowski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LimeSurvey [09:11] PeterYim: (ref. survey tools at our disposal) our instance of Lime Survey - ref. http://project.cim3.net/survey & http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2012#nid39VK [08:37] MikeDenny: Is there a link to Ontohub? [08:37] OliverKutz: http://ontohub.org [08:38] YuriyMilov: I think if it is possible to make a "mobile ontologies store" (similar to Google Play) to have a convenient search and quick test env. for similar ontologies mobile platforms [08:39] YuriyMilov: sorry, have to go [08:41] MariaPoveda: sorry, there is a meeting in my office, my idea about what you say about evaluation competition: could we use that result to identify which tools complement others? [08:41] MariaPoveda: I mean there are several aspects to evaluate, and as a user I would like to combine several tools to evaluate my ontology [08:41] MariaPoveda: sorry [08:42] MariaPoveda: could you repeat last part? [08:43] MariaPoveda: please write in the chat [08:43] MariaPoveda: there is a meeting here as well [08:43] MariaPoveda: I'm a bit lost [08:44] MariaPoveda: of course, OOPS will be more useful integrated in other tools [08:44] MariaPoveda: for example ontology editors [08:44] PeterYim: note discussion and relevant dates from our last meeting (Fri 2013.01.25): http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2013_Software_Environments_For_Evaluating_Ontologies_CommunityInput#nid3L8N [08:44] TillMossakowski: OBO is an ontology language used in the biomedical community. It can be translated to OWL, thus OOPS could be used for OBO as well. [08:46] TillMossakowski: However, for first-order ontologies, a first-order analogon of OOPS would be needed. Probably, it would not be of much use to project a first-order ontology to OWL, thereby losing information, and then sending it to OOPS. But I am not entirely sure. [08:45] TillMossakowski: We could also integrate OOPS with Ontohub, i.e. such that any ontology uploaded to Ontohub can be checked with OOPS. [08:46] MariaPoveda: You can use web services soon while we think how to proceed for sharing the code [08:46] TillMossakowski: @Maria: good, we will be happy to do so. [08:48] TillMossakowski: The OntologySummit could also be used for evaluation of ontology evaluation tools, identify their weaknesses and strengths, and collect suggestions for improvements and further developments [08:49] PeterYim: coming up ... Thu 2013.02.21 - session-06 - Synthesis-I; proposed Communique Outline; present how we frame the "hackathon/clinics" [08:52] PeterYim: [action] let use the [ontolog-dev] mailing list to continue to explore and further fine tune our thought so we can articulate it on the Feb-21 session - MikeDean will do the presentation on behalf of this team [08:52] KenBaclawski: I have to leave. [08:55] PeterYim: [action] Peter to add Maria, Mari Carmen, Oliver and Till to both the [ontolog-dev] and [oor-dev] and [oor-forum] lists [09:01] PeterYim: no meeting on Feb-8 (Fri) nor Feb-12 (Tue) ... we will work asynchronously (via the [ontolog-dev] list) ... will explore date for next meeting on the list (possibly Tue Feb-19) which will be right before the Feb-21 presentation [09:01] PeterYim: -- session ended 8:59am PST -- [10:22] List of attendees: KenBaclawski, MariaPoveda, MikeDean, MikeDenny, OliverKutz, PeterYim, TillMossakowski, YuriyMilov, anonymous ------