ppy/chat-transcript_unedited_20131205a.txt ------ Chat transcript from room: summit_20131205 2013-12-05 GMT-08:00 [PST] ------ [8:47] PeterYim: Welcome to the = OntologySummit2014 (Pre-launch) Community Input and Planning Session - Thu 2013-12-05 = Summit Theme: Semantic Web, Big Data, and Applied Ontology ...(exact title to be fine tuned at this session) Co-chairs: Professor MichaelGruninger (IAOA; U of Toronto) & Dr. LeoObrst (ONTOLOG; MITRE) AGENDA: * 1. Opening - co-chairs * 2. Open floor for ideas on developing and executing the program - discussion: All * 3. A call for volunteers and champions ... and, getting organized - discussion: All * 4. A call for communities (we should engage/collaborate with), co-sponsors, and recommendations for Advisory Committee members - discussion: All * 5. Summary and wrap-up - co-chairs Logistics: * Refer to details on session page at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_12_05 * (if you haven't already done so) please click on "settings" (top center) and morph from "anonymous" to your RealName * Mute control (phone keypad): *7 to un-mute ... *6 to mute * Attn: Skype users ... see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_12_05#nid41RJ ** you may connect to (the skypeID) "joinconference" whether or not it indicates that it is online (i.e. even if it says it is "offline," you should still be able to connect to it.) ** if you are using skype and the connection to "joinconference" is not holding up, try using (your favorite POTS or VoIP line, etc.) either your phone, skype-out or google-voice and call the US dial-in number: +1 (206) 402-0100 ... when prompted enter Conference ID: 141184# ** Can't find Skype Dial pad? *** for Windows Skype users: Can't find Skype Dial pad? ... it's under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad" *** for Linux Skype users: if the dialpad button is not shown in the call window you need to press the "d" hotkey to enable it . == Proceedings == . [9:01] anonymous morphed into KIngsleyIdehen [9:07] anonymous morphed into Jens Ortmann [9:20] anonymous morphed into Jeff Cox [9:22] anonymous morphed into MelanieCourtot [9:25] vnc211 morphed into vnc2 [9:27] Jens Ortmann morphed into JensOrtmann [9:30] JensOrtmann: Hello, I just joined the conference call via Skype, I will just stay muted, the connection is a bit noisy. [9:31] JensOrtmann: is there anything I need to do for the VNC (I'm using safari) [9:32] anonymous1 morphed into MarkFox [9:33] anonymous1 morphed into ToniFarley [9:34] anonymous1 morphed into FrancescaQuattri [9:35] anonymous1 morphed into Gary Berg-Cross [9:35] JackRing: The engine for a full duplex semantic network DBMS http://www.micron.com/about/innovations/automata-processing?source=mb https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-creates-world-s-first-research-center-automata-computing-support-micron-technology-inc [9:36] PeterYim: == MichaelGruninger and LeoObrst starts the session ... see slides at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2014/2013-12-05_OntologySummit2014-pre-launch/OntologySummit2014_prelaunch--MichaelGruninger-LeoObrst_20131205.pdf [9:39] FrancescaQuattri: Michael, we cannot hear you [9:39] LeoObrst: Michael: no voice [9:40] UAMS - Shariq: I can't hear [9:40] UAMS - Shariq: ok back [9:40] Frank Olken: I can hear on ordinary phone line, but with some echo. [9:42] MelanieCourtot: I connected via joinconference on skype and sound is good [9:42] ToddSchneider: Leo, Michael, What about a track to address uses w.r.t. big data? [9:45] Gary Berg-Cross: I would love some improvement or alternatives to SKOS which is widely used. [9:48] LeoObrst: For candidate track 2, we can also leverage the RulesReasoningLP mini-series, currently ongoing: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RulesReasoningLP. [9:49] ToddSchneider: Where might [dynamic] creation/modification of ontologies fit? [9:51] ToddSchneider: Gary, what about a general topic of 'correcting' existing (syntactically correct) ontologies? [9:51] PeterYim: == Open Discussion ... LeoObrst moderating [9:51] AmandaVizedom: RE: strawman track 1: (content & repositories) -- I think that this framing is natural within the formal ontology - centric community, but not from a SW ontology use perspective. Here's a counter-proposal: frame in terms of: SW Ontologies: Supply & Demand. Subtopics include what is mentioned here, but gives even weight to looking at: how is semantically-enhanced data published or exposed on the web? How is semantically-enhanced data consumed on the web? [9:52] PeterYim: * Approaches: program, process, ... * Topics / Tracks * Collaborators (partnering communities) * Identifying Experts / Speakers / Invitees * Marketing / Sponsors [9:52] KIngsleyIdehen: +1 for theme [9:52] anonymous1 morphed into Tim Finin [9:52] AndreaWesterinen: What about ontology design patterns as discussed on the SWAO SIG? Where would that fit? [9:52] HensonGraves: The invited speakers for RulesReasoningLP mini-series session 4, if they accept, will be addressing at some level many of these topics, ontologies, data storage for large scale applications, reasoning, etc. [9:52] Gary Berg-Cross: @ Todd as to 'correcting' existing (syntactically correct) ontologies that is perhaps too general.... [9:52] MichaelGruninger: @Amanda: there are several repository efforts like Swoogle and Tones that would fit into the idea of content [9:53] MelanieCourtot: I like the theme and tracks, but I wonder how tracks will relate to each other and interact. Will a few datasets of interest be identified for example? [9:53] MichaelGruninger: @Andrea: I saw ontology patterns fitting into the Content track. We can modify the title and be more explicit about the scope to reflect this [9:53] AliHashemi: @Gary - What about SKOS-XL, or is that more of the same? [9:53] PeterYim: see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_12_05#nid42EQ for [9:54] AmandaVizedom: @Michael, yes, but let's also look at this as very active public vocabulary users do, as with schema.org, Linked Open Vocabularies, etc. [9:54] AndreaWesterinen: @Michael I would agree but wanted to confirm. [9:54] MichaelGruninger: @Amanda: that would make a great session [9:54] PeterYim: Theme: "Semantic Web, Big Data, and Applied Ontology" (42EQ) This Summit provides a great opportunity for building bridges between the Semantic Web, Big Data, and Applied Ontology communities. We would like to see a number of concrete objectives that we could hopefully achieve. The Big Data and Semantic Web communities can bring a wide array of real problems and technologies (e.g. performance and scalability challenges, automated reasoning tools), while the Applied Ontology community can bring a large body of knowledge and content (i.e. ontologies) and ontological analysis techniques. (42ER) Specific issues we can attempt to address, include: (42ES) * What ontologies are required by the Semantic Web / Big Data applications? ** If these ontologies are not available in any current ontology repository, how can we engage the applied ontology community to develop them? (42ET) * Of the ontologies that are being widely used within the Semantic Web / Big Data community, what kinds of analysis can be done with them? (42EU) * How can reasoning tools being developed within the Semantic Web / Big Data community be applied to the ontologies that are being developed by the applied ontology community? (42EV) * What other semantic technologies can be used to support the ontology lifecycle? ... (building on the results of last year's Summit). (42EW) [9:55] JackRing1: Build bridges between three technology nodes does not acknowledge the Value to Society node. [9:56] MikeBennett: On Track 1 / ontologies, I came across a paper which makes a distinction between conceptual ontologies and ones in applications, using SKOS. This may be relevant to some of what people are asking about SKOS, and might be something to explore. So I guess that validates the need to explore that kind of stuff in Track 1? [9:56] Gary Berg-Cross: @Ali Yes SKOS-XL seems like more of the same model, but like OWL-2 it does try to address issues of interest to some. [9:56] AliHashemi: @Gary - what would you like to see? [9:57] MichaelGruninger: @Amanda: Do you see your ideas forming a different track, or would this focus one of the suggested tracks? [9:58] Gary Berg-Cross: @Ali - I would like to see something better than the thesaurus approach with relations like "broader" & "narrower." [9:58] ToddSchneider: I think Amanda's suggestion could fall under the 'Big Data' track. [9:58] MichaelGruninger: @everyone -- if people have alternative ideas for tracks, please post them in the chat [9:59] AmandaVizedom: Recommend to anyone unfamilliar with the SW supply and demand situation: "listen" in on public-vocabs.org mailing list for a while. [9:59] KIngsleyIdehen: @AmandaVizedom: maybe we could use the theme title: Ontologies, Semantic Web, Big Data, and Society :-) [9:59] HensonGraves: I assume that value to society can be negative as well as possible [10:00] Tim Finin: I think we should add a topic or make room in an existing topic for techniques that can automatically or semi-automatically map a given dataset into a semantic representation (e.g., into RDF) using a given ontology. I think this is a big part of enabling big semantic data. Examples of this process include the framework that DBpedia has developed and also the various systems that try to the data in tables into RDF (e.g., http://bit.ly/17VN2Gi). [10:01] KIngsleyIdehen: Major challenges: Privacy, Data Integration etc.. [10:01] TerryLongstreth: We're searching for the 'utility functions' [10:01] AmandaVizedom: @Michael, I think there are a few ways to cast it. It could be in the framing of the whole theme and org committee. It could be a separate track. It could be a re-framing of track 1, though it broadens it... Most importantly, I think it should be introduced in substance *before* the ontology content exploration. [10:02] Gary Berg-Cross: A recent AAAI workshop had a session that included topics like - the use of semantic metadata and ontologies for Big Data, the use of formal and informal semantics, the integration and interplay of deductive (semantic) and statistical methods, methods to establish semantic interoperability between data sources ways of dealing with semantic heterogeneity, scalability of Semantic Web methods and tools, and semantic approaches to the explication of requirements from eScience applications. [10:02] MelanieCourtot: @Tim: I like that - exploring practical ways or making this happen, missing tools/support [10:03] KIngsleyIdehen: About @danbri (aka. Dan Brickley) read: http://danbri.org [10:03] AmandaVizedom: @TimFinin: Yes! That is an example of things that would come up under consumption /use and then lead to further topics under many of the tracks mentioned. [10:03] ToniFarley: +1 Tim's idea [10:03] AmandaVizedom: Delighted to hear that @danbri will be on org committee. [10:04] anonymous1 morphed into hypergrove [10:04] hypergrove morphed into JohnMcClure [10:06] MichaelGruninger: I saw each track as following "supply and demand" metaphor [10:06] KIngsleyIdehen: Additional information relating to @danbri: http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/id/entity/http/www.slideshare.net/danbri (presentation collection from slideshare) [10:07] MichaelGruninger: It would also be great if each track was a balance of theoretical ideas and applications/test case studies [10:07] AmandaVizedom: +1 for @Michael's idea that theory and application be woven into each track, rather than segregated into separate tracks. [10:07] MelanieCourtot: Are the test case studies (or some of them) intended to be shared between tracks? [10:08] PeterYim: ditto (+1 for @Michael's idea that theory and application be woven into each track) [10:08] MichaelGruninger: @TimFinin -- I agree that would be a great session topic (in whatever Track it resides) [10:09] KIngsleyIdehen: @JackRing: URL ? [10:09] FrancescaQuattri: Maybe a point on the semantics of the "Semantic Web" could be raised too. We already had some discussions about lexical disambiguation and adequate terminology, especially when it comes to combine the three let's called them infrastructures [10:10] MichaelGruninger: @MikeBennet -- Bringing ontologies from the lab to the web [10:11] MikeBennett: @Michael that's a nice way of putting it. [10:11] AmandaVizedom: I do think that it would be usefully focusing to make sure not only that each track is open to the "supply & demand" view, but that each track is put together with some awareness of current SW activities. [10:12] AmandaVizedom: @Michael -- and also from the web to the lab! E.g., emergent issues and characteristics [10:12] TerryLongstreth: @Michael- and the converse - Bringing them from the web to the lab [10:12] AndreaWesterinen: There is also the issue of "broad use" ontologies and "specific application" ontologies. Where the former is simpler and more general, the latter is more specific and (likely?) more complex. [10:12] Gary Berg-Cross: @AmandaVizedom @KIngsley On this alternative theme title: Ontologies, Semantic Web, Big Data, and Society - I like keeping the idea of Applied Ontology in the title - such application will help serve larger social needs. [10:13] MichaelGruninger: @Terry: +1 There and back again :-) [10:13] JackRing1: This URL introduces the forthcoming chipset that is the alternative to the vonNeumann stored program computer which is not suitable for processing complex, conditional webs of information. Notice particularly the IEEE paper. http://www.micron.com/about/innovations/automata-processing?source=mb https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-creates-world-s-first-research-center-automata-computing-support-micron-technology-inc [10:13] MikeBennett: @Gary +1 [10:13] MarkFox: As part of Track 1, how can we detect when a particular ontology is gaining traction on the semantic web? What portions are being used and why? [10:14] ChristophLange: @MarkFox +1 [10:15] JackRing1: The URL's provided are not the only instances of new kinds of hardware architectures. We should be alert to these 'platform' opportunities. [10:15] ChristophLange: @MarkFox I hope that linked open data technology will be helpful here, but we could also aim at detecting usage of an ontology aside of linked data. [10:16] PeterYim: @UAMS - Shariq ... can we have your full name, please [10:16] LeoObrst: Web <==> Lab [10:16] AndreaWesterinen: I am worried if we focus only on the "broad use", then we miss the patterns, learnings and growth applications for ontologies and SW. Semantics and domains broadly vary. We will never find something of interest to everyone - unless we look more broadly. [10:17] MarkFox: Another issue is how relevant are efforts like schema.org? I find them to be both sparse and not well thought it. Ultimately, I may use a couple of classes and properties but they add little semantically to the effort. [10:17] Gary Berg-Cross: @MarkFox The last time the Summit had an effort to report on particular ontology use (traction) we were told much of this was hidden App use. This is perhaps less true now or with LOD/semantic web. [10:17] FrancescaQuattri: About the theme title:thumb up to KingsleyIdehen's proposal ("Ontologies, Semantic Web, Big Data and Society") with a slight change: What about [...] and the users (I guess that all discussions on titles are for now just tentative) [10:18] AndreaWesterinen: My "broadly" in my comment was meant to mean across domains and specific to domains. [10:18] TerryLongstreth: per Todd - Evolution of ontologies in use [10:19] MichaelGruninger: Do people see the issue of Ontology Languages as being important, or too stale [10:19] MichaelGruninger: ? [10:19] TerryLongstreth: that is - do we see examples of self organizing and evolving ontologies [10:19] KIngsleyIdehen: Specifically, we should consider: addressing Big Data's variety challenge through applied ontologies [10:20] MichaelGruninger: @Amanda: I see this as being a key deliverable for this year's Summit -- what is the current situation (capabilities, successes, challenges) with the basic issues of ontologies vis-a-vis each community [10:21] ToddSchneider: Michael, there is need to discuss 'languages' in the context(s) of there limitations and exclusions of expressivity (e.g., Horn clauses). To be of ' [10:22] ToddSchneider: real' use in systems, more expressivity is needed. [10:22] MichaelGruninger: @Amanda: What if each Track is organized around a major challenge in bringing ontologies from the lab to Web and from the Web to the lab? [10:22] MichaelGruninger: Of course, this would presuppose that we know what the challenges are :-) [10:22] ToddSchneider: There are usually multiple major challenges. [10:23] AmandaVizedom: +1 for reasoning as track -- *to be defined in part* by looking at current state of, and challenges for, reasoning on/over/with semantic web content. [10:23] ToniFarley: Challenges vary by domain as well, so that may be difficult to generalize [10:23] PeterYim: @MichaelGruninger: re your question "Do people see the issue of Ontology Languages as being important?" ... Yes, indeed, but we might consider that being part of the other tracks, rather than having it as one track ... unless there are specific objectives/goals we can clearly identify that this track can deliver [10:23] AmandaVizedom: @Michael, I like that, with caveat that I also agree with Todd that there are usually more than 1. [10:24] AmandaVizedom: Note that *consumption* of SW data is often private. [10:24] KIngsleyIdehen: All: http://kingsley.idehen.net/DAV/home/kidehen/Public/Linked%20Data%20Documents/Linked-Data-Identifiers-Logic-Venn.html -- illustrating some important overlaps [10:25] UAMS - Shariq: @PeterYim - Shariq Ahmed Tariq from UAMS (University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences) [10:25] KIngsleyIdehen: Similar could be constructed re. Big Data, Ontologies, and Semantic Web [10:26] PeterYim: thank you, Shariq ... drop me an email, if you are not already on the [ontology-summit] mailing list, so I can get you subscribed [10:27] AmandaVizedom: Mailing list featuring real-life discussion of consumption needs, issues with web vocabs, and needs: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/ [10:27] AndreaWesterinen: @Amanda +1, I have been there :-) [10:28] MelanieCourtot: wrt mappings, I think it would be interesting to see how to integrate sometimes overlapping resources [10:28] MichaelGruninger: @Andrea -- I agree with your points. I saw your comments about patterns as part of the approach of bringing ontological content from experiences in the Semantic Web to the rest of the ontology community [10:28] AmandaVizedom: @Andrea :-) I think it's a good eye-opener or those not exposed much to active SW publication and consumption. [10:31] Krzysztof Janowicz: Personally, I would love a track on how to overcome the ontology engineering bottleneck by scaling up the design of reusable and flexible ontologies to make the SW stack fit for big data. [10:32] AndreaWesterinen: @Krzystztof Would that overlap with patterns as well? [10:32] Krzysztof Janowicz: yes [10:32] StefanoBorgo: I need to go, sorry. [10:32] Krzysztof Janowicz: absolutely, patterns would play a huge role here [10:33] PeterYim: Thanks, Stefano ... join us tomorrow if you can [10:34] Krzysztof Janowicz: @AndreaWesterinen: IMHO, this would have many aspects for at least 2 or 3 virtual sessions. Once could be about including machine learning and related methods to mine primitives and patterns for ontologies, another session would be on how to ensure that ontologies are reusable and flexible, another one would be about lowering the initial hurdle for domain experts to use these ontologies to publish, retrieve, and integrate data. [10:35] AndreaWesterinen: Perhaps the examination of patterns is then about describing it AND its uses INCLUDING big data, reasoning, etc. [10:35] JohnMcClure: very supportive of a session for exploring ontology bottlenecks [10:36] ToddSchneider: Have to go. From what I've heard and read it appears that the proposed tracks can accommodate all of the suggestions. But there will be overlap among the particular subjects/problems/challenges addressed (which I don't see as problem). Cheers. [10:36] PeterYim: bye, Todd ... talk to you tomorrow, hioepfully [10:37] MikeBennett: @Krzysztof I'm very interested in the area of common, reusable ontology material - mid level ontologies. Many industry and application ontologies may not currently make full use of common abstractions (for instance things tend to go into industry verticals even if they have a common concept like Contract or Transaction). [10:38] Krzysztof Janowicz: MikeBennett, yes but this mid level is really underdeveloped [10:38] MichaelGruninger: Would people like to see Track 1 retitled to "Ontology Patterns"? [10:38] Krzysztof Janowicz: it needs more work. patterns are one part of it by there is more to it in terms of alignments etc [10:39] TerryLongstreth: Where and how does the top down meet the bottom up? [10:39] MikeBennett: It is. I think many of the existing mid level material may need to be framed within common upper ontology patterns, with concepts in an indistry vertical needing to be promoted to a higher level abstraction if it's to become part of a reusable raft of concepts - for instance commitments, rights, activities. [10:40] Tim Finin: One area where ontologies will help is cybersecurity. For example, we can do a better job of detecting intrusions, zero-day attacks, advanced persistent threats and low-and-slow attacks if we can integrate and analyze information for multiple layers, computers, systems and networks. Having better ontologies for computer system-related entities, products, processes, states and events and also vulnerabilities will help. the amount of data can be large. [10:40] AndreaWesterinen: @Michael Maybe Track 1 is about "Common, Reusable Ontology Material" keying off MikeBennett's comment. [10:40] Krzysztof Janowicz: IMHO, the key insight is that we can stay on the level of small, data and query informed, and purpose-driven ontologies and then work more on the ontology alignment layer. This will make the use of ontologies scale. [10:40] MichaelGruninger: @Andrea: Sounds good [10:41] Gary Berg-Cross: @Krzysztof I agree that Track 1 is more than patterns, but we might modify the title to indicate that from "What ontologies are required by the Semantic Web / Big Data applications?" [10:41] MikeBennett: @Andrea or that may be one thread of subject matter within that track? The point at the moment is that if that conversation wants to happen, does it fit into the tracks we have or do we need to re-frame them? Or narrow down the title? [10:41] AndreaWesterinen: @Krzysztof +1 [10:41] PeterYim: @GaryGannon - (re your verbal comments) well said ... please document that here [10:42] Gary Berg-Cross: @Andrea +1 on your take on Track 1. [10:42] MarkFox: A small issue with the title of Track 4: the vast majority of Big Data applications are really data analytics applications whose data sizes are relatively small. But many of them require the integration of data from many sources. [10:42] AndreaWesterinen: @Mike I was looking to expand the title, not narrow it. It seems all the "narrowing" gets to be too much. [10:42] Krzysztof Janowicz: @gary: yes, imho it would be good to rephrase that but I am new to the procedure and leave it to all of you to decide [10:42] MikeBennett: @Andrea great. [10:44] MichaelGruninger: @MarkFox: Agreed -- ontologies play a bigger role in the Variety aspect of Big Data. more than Volume and Velocity [10:44] Gary Berg-Cross: @Krzysztof This task of coming up with a title is a bit of a chicken and egg problem and I think we should be flexible and use the title as a topical scoping guide with the supporting details to be developed to show topical cohesion and relevance. [10:44] Krzysztof Janowicz: ok [10:45] Krzysztof Janowicz: @MarkFox: yes, variety is the key [10:45] MarkFox: I go to go. [10:45] Krzysztof Janowicz: +1 for heterogeneity and mappings [10:45] PeterYim: MarkFox: inclusion of "data analytics" into track 4 [10:45] AmandaVizedom: +1 for explicit inclusion of Data Analystics & heterogeneity in concerns of (Big) data track [10:46] Gary Berg-Cross: I like that connection of variety and vast heterogeneity (V&V) [10:46] FrancescaQuattri: About what I tried to say: (1) who's the final reader (in the sense of: Do we plan to scratch the surface with a theoretical guideline or to propose real-case scenarios and case studies)? (answer given) (2) some of the challenges from the ontological point of view are given (Michael's slides), but what about the challenges from the point of view of Semantic Web and BD? and finally (3) Why? What are the advantage in our joint effort? What do we plan to achieve? The focus, from my personal point of view, should be on the users [10:46] Krzysztof Janowicz: +1 [10:47] MikeBennett: IS it about patterns or about meaning? [10:47] Gary Gannon: It may make sense to start the summit by defining key goals for integrating semantic web, big data, and ontology technologies. Focusing on the respective strengths and weaknesses of each of these technologies could help shape discussions about how to best integrate these fields. Additionally, there should be focus on what sort of problems can be solved by integrating these technologies. [10:48] Gary Berg-Cross: Semantic content?? [10:48] MikeBennett: Common reusable content in Track 1: Agree [10:48] AmandaVizedom: ontological content? [10:49] MikeBennett: Common reusable semantic content [10:49] AmandaVizedom: (making clear vs. data content) [10:49] MichaelGruninger: Track 1: Common Reusable Semantic Content [10:49] AmandaVizedom: +1 for Common reusable semantic content [10:49] Gary Berg-Cross: I Like including semantic/ontological analysis in this - it doesn't have to be in the title. [10:51] MikeBennett: Semantic Web applications => Semantic Technology applications ? [10:51] MarcelaVegetti: +1 for Common Reusable Semantic Content [10:51] Gary Berg-Cross: @MikeB Yes technology is the broader concept. [10:51] AndreaWesterinen: I will volunteer for Track 1 [10:52] MikeBennett: I have to drop off at the top of the hour. I suggest that you volunteer me for Track 1 so that I can say I had no choice in the matter. [10:52] AndreaWesterinen: Co-champion [10:52] ChristophLange: +1 for Common Reusable Semantic Content [10:53] Gary Berg-Cross: I know that there is current work on reasoning tools, but might we include knowledge acquisition tools too?? [10:54] Krzysztof Janowicz: Pascal and I could do that if it would be the proposed bottleneck topic [10:54] UAMS - Shariq: wouldnt Scalibility issues be associated with track 4? [10:54] AmandaVizedom: Common Reusable Semantic Content nicely covers potential subtopics such as: - What exists? How is it created & shared? Patterns & Methodologies for creation and sharing? What are some major challenges? [10:54] MichaelGruninger: Track 3: Overcoming Ontology Engineering Bottlenecks [10:55] MelanieCourtot: Sorry, I need to leave too. [10:56] MarcelaVegetti: +1 for Overcoming Ontology Engineering Bottlenecks [10:56] Gary Berg-Cross: I like the bottleneck idea too. [10:57] Krzysztof Janowicz: this is 6:30 am PT? [10:57] PeterYim: for those volunteering to help organize -see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_12_05#nid42CQ [10:57] PeterYim: First organizing committee meeting tomorrow - Fri 2013.12.06 - 2-Hr meeting starting: 6:30am PST / 9:30am EST / 3:30pm CET / 14:30 GMT/UTC - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014/GettingOrganized#nid42AW [10:58] MichaelGruninger: @Krzysztof: this will not be the regular time -- just for tomorrow [10:58] Tim Finin: yes to analytics! [10:58] Krzysztof Janowicz: okay :-) [10:58] PeterYim: @Krzysztof: yes, unfortunately (for you and I) ... the standing organizing committee meeting time has been Fridays 8:00am PST / 11:00am EST ... (tomorrow is special) [10:59] MichaelGruninger: Track 4: Tackling the Variety Problem with Big Data? [11:00] AndreaWesterinen: I have to go. I will be on the call tomorrow. Thank you. [11:00] FrancescaQuattri: question to Peter: is the communique off the tracks? is it supposed to be an overview of the topics and/or the tracks' work? I cannot remember [11:01] MikeBennett: OK I have to drop off the call now. [11:01] PeterYim: will you be there tomorrw, MikeBennett? [11:02] MikeBennett: Yes [11:02] PeterYim: geat, talk to you tomorrow, Mike ... bye! [11:03] Gary Berg-Cross: @MikeG Tackling the Variety Problem with Big Data doesn't seem right. Big data has a big heterogeneity problem but big data by itself doesn't solve it. [11:03] PeterYim: @FrancescaQuattri - the communique will provide a synthesis of the track discourse, and present an agreed position by those involved in the summit [11:04] PeterYim: TimFinin: will advise whether can help in co-championing track 4 [11:04] Tim Finin: I have to sign off now. Bye... [11:05] PeterYim: thanks, Tim ... please try to join us tomorrow if you can [11:08] PeterYim: need volunteers across the board - see roles needed: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014#nid423Q [11:11] AmandaVizedom: I need to think about what I can best contribute this year, but will plan to join tomorrow's call. [11:11] PeterYim: great ... thank you, Amanda! [11:14] PeterYim: if you are not subscribed to the [ontology-summit] mailing list yet, please do so - http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontology-summit (or drop me a line - peter.yim [at] cim3.com) [11:15] MichaelGruninger: @Gary: The reference to variety in the title is merely the focus of the application of ontologies to Big Data [11:16] PeterYim: Please mark you calendars for the OntologySummit2014 Launch Event - Thu 2014.01.16 (same time) Those who are planning to join us in the organizing committee, please note that the first meeting is early tomorrow - Fri 2013.12.06 - 2-Hr meeting starting: 6:30am PST / 9:30am EST / 3:30pm CET / 14:30 GMT/UTC - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2013_12_05#nid42CQ [11:17] Krzysztof Janowicz: bye bye [11:17] Gary Berg-Cross: Mike OK changing to "in" resolved it. [11:17] PeterYim: great session! [11:17] PeterYim: -- session ended: 11:17am PST -- [11:18] List of attendees: AliHashemi, AmandaVizedom, AndreaWesterinen, BartGajderowicz, ChristophLange, FrancescaQuattri, FrancescaQuattri1, Frank Olken, Gary Berg-Cross, Gary Gannon, HensonGraves, JackRing, JackRing1, Jeff Cox, Jens Ortmann, JensOrtmann, JohnMcClure, KIngsleyIdehen, KenBaclawski, Krzysztof Janowicz, LeoObrst, MarcelaVegetti, MarkFox, MelanieCourtot, MichaelGruninger, MikeBennett, MikeDean, PeterYim, StefanoBorgo, SteveRay, TerryLongstreth, TillMossakowski, Tim Finin, ToddSchneider, ToniFarley, UAMS - Shariq, anonymous, anonymous1, anonymous2, hypergrove, vnc2, vnc21, vnc210, vnc211, vnc22, vnc23, vnc24, vnc25, vnc26, vnc27, vnc28, vnc29 ------