PeterYim: Welcome to the SemanticWiki mini-series Session-4 - Thu 22-Jan-2009 * Mini-series Title: Semantic Wikis: The Wiki Way to the Semantic Web * Session-4 Topic: Semantic Wiki Applications & Use Cases (1): vertical applications * Session Chair: Mr. MikeDean (BBN) & Mr. PeterYim (CIM3; Ontolog) * Panelists: (1RYX) o Mr. HaroldSolbrig / Dr. GuoqianJiang (Mayo Clinic); Dr. JieBao / Dr. LiDing (RPI/TWC); Mr. ChristophLange (Jacobs University) VNC2: Please remember to change your name (via "Settings") to your WikiWord name for proper identification and attribution. Thanks. anonymous1 morphed into TobiasKuhn anonymous morphed into Jie Bao anonymous1 morphed into ChristophLange Jie Bao morphed into JieBao anonymous morphed into Mike Axelrod Guoqian Jiang: testing Guoqian Jiang: Hello, Jie Bao Guoqian Jiang: Hello Tobias JieBao: Hello Guoqian JieBao: Hello Guoqian TobiasKuhn: Hi everyone!!! anonymous morphed into MikeDean anonymous morphed into Harold Solbrig anonymous morphed into Philipp Zaltenbach anonymous morphed into MikeBennett Mike Axelrod morphed into MikeAxelrod anonymous morphed into Rick Kiefer anonymous1 morphed into Ted Kitzmiller Philipp Zaltenbach: Hi together. Daniel Hansch (ontoprise) will join in a few minutes. Guoqian Jiang: hello Chris Mitchell: I hear a bit of an echo as well - it's not just Mr Dean's imagination anonymous morphed into BruceBray anonymous1 morphed into Jason Jason morphed into Jason Zou anonymous1 morphed into BruceBray ChristophLange: "grid" is not related to "grid computing" here, is it? PeterYim: @ChristophLange re. "LexGrid" ... the answer is no ... see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LexGrid ChristophLange: @PeterYim: thanks! anonymous morphed into Yaron Koren Harold Solbrig: LexGrid was created to enable a distributed "grid" of terminology resources. It is used as a grid node in the caBIG project, but it isn't a "grid computing" resource in the classic sense. Harold Solbrig: It was originally built using LDAP, btw. Yaron Koren: Maybe it's worth talking about your workflow-functionality needs on the SMW users mailing list. Philipp Zaltenbach: harold: how do you use the SKOS elements within SMW? Do you integrate them with semantic forms or do you let the people freely annotate article contents with SKOS properties? Harold Solbrig: Where appropriate, we map the LexWiki to SKOS - the RDF rendering for "comment" is the SKOS equivalent, so it comes out "SKOS". Harold Solbrig: We are looking forward to the new SKOS release, as it provides better alignment with other resources (DC and OWL) Yaron Koren: Are you using the "Equivalent URI" property? Harold Solbrig: Yes, although more in the RDF/SKOS/OWL rendering. Harold Solbrig: We also need to revise the RDF dump. We're stuck on an old version because the Protege importer is fixed (this is biomedgt, btw. ICD11 has more flexibility) Philipp Zaltenbach: ic, we plan to directly integrate some core elements of SKOS within our next Halo release, in order to allow people to create and maintain terminologies / thesauri Harold Solbrig: That covers a portion of the space... JieBao: Tetherless Map extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Tetherless_Map Jason Zou: Having core elements of SKOS integrate into wiki will save me a lot of work. I am looking forward to the new release of Halo. Harold Solbrig: http://wiktolog.com/agrowiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Harold Solbrig: These pages are a bit dated - I keep meaning to get a more recent update... Harold Solbrig: ... posted. We've revised it internally. Philipp Zaltenbach: thx for the link. i think the plan for the next release of halo is scheduled at the beginning of march. Guoqian Jiang: good to know. is that rule extension incorporated? Guoqian Jiang: I mean the simple rule extension introduced in last ontolog session Philipp Zaltenbach: yeah, i know what you mean. unfortunately not, since we have not the resources at the moment to develop it further. Guoqian Jiang: I see, thanks PeterYim: @ChristophLange - on your slide#12 what does parentheses (like "(y) or "(n)") denote? ... as opposed to a normal "y" or "n" ChristophLange: @PeterYim: (y) roughly means "yes, but...", consider e.g. metadata in SlugMath: as it is SMW, it _would_ support metadata, but it doesn't have any particular metadata vocabulary installed ChristophLange: (n) -- e.g. verification in SWiM: the knowledge representation (the OMDoc language) would permit it (with converters from/to theorem proving languages existing), but the wiki does not yet expose this on the user interface ChristophLange: and by y/n i meant "yes in some regard, but no in others", e.g. semantic formulae in ASciencePad: mostly you enter formulas by their appearance and the system does not understand them, but if you draw a graph or compute something, the system does interpret a formula Yaron Koren: If we order now, will you throw in a free set of knives? MikeAxelrod: lol Kei Cheung: http://neuroweb3.med.yale.edu/mediawiki/index.php/WikiNeuron Philipp Zaltenbach: My credits go to Mike Axelrod who has built SMW+ 1.4's project management ontology. Thanks Mike! Great work!! Philipp Zaltenbach morphed into Daniel Hansch Daniel Hansch: (his was me actually MikeAxelrod: Thank you Daniel Yaron Koren: WikiNeuron - cool. Kei Cheung: thanks! Kei Cheung: I'm using some of your extensions. Yaron Koren: When will it be released? I didn't hear, if you said it. Kei Cheung: it's still ongoing and I'll keep you and other posted. Also, I'd like to interact with you and others in terms of expanding it if it's OK with you ... Yaron Koren: Sure. Kei Cheung: great! Yaron Koren: Also, feel free to write the SMW and SF mailing lists. Kei Cheung: will do. ChristophLange: Announcement: call for papers for the 4th semantic wiki workshop (Crete, Greece, 31 May) is out: http://semwiki.org Yaron Koren: John - are you asking about SMW, or in general? ChristophLange: @John: you mean standoff markup, i.e. pointers from the wiki into the docs? Yaron Koren: (How do you unmute?) ChristophLange: *3 Daniel Hansch: by all together. thx for the interesting presentations. ChristophLange: generally, talking about external (= non-wiki) resources in a sem. wiki is interesting IMHO anonymous: Christoph, yes standoff markup ChristophLange: Peter and others: thank you too! MikeBennett: Thanks all - interesting stuff. Guoqian Jiang: Thank you all Chris Mitchell: This solution seems quite like the solution XWiki users are using... they can use the new Office Importer (http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseNotesXWikiEnterprise18M1) to help fascilitate population of the wiki and there is the ability to produce semantic functionality in the manner most recently described - I hope to research this further (example: linuxpedia.org) anonymous: I would like to see wikis used for medical records mngmnet, and it would need to have standoff to be effective... thanks Kei Cheung: Thanks and bye! PeterYim: Thank you, everyone, for another wonderful session! ... bye MikeAxelrod: Thanks all! bye ChristophLange: bye all Yaron Koren: What's standoff? ChristophLange: annotation that is not embedded right into the document to be marked up ChristophLange: but that points there from outside ChristophLange: i.e. stands off/aside the doc anonymous: basically source information for a Statement Yaron Koren: Ah, okay - I didn't know it had a name. anonymous: probably should use XPointer for xml docs ChristophLange: ok, bye again! anonymous: last q from me ... is there the feeling that a Statement = Wikipage ? anonymous: bye Yaron Koren: Yeah, but I would think XML documents aren't in need of as much annotation as free-form text or image documents. anonymous: agreed, but I am concerned that that is the wrong model... a Wikipage contains many Statements, but the problem is that a Statement then is hard to annotate itself anonymous: thnaks Yaron I need to go now, and review all that I missed! PeterYim: Look out for the upcoming Ontolog session (5-Feb-2009) on Pattern-based Ontology Design. The team from Institute for Cognitive Sciences and Technology (Rome, Italy) working on that actually runs a ODP (Ontology Design Pattern) semantic wiki too!